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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Both of the last two times that the US changed times between standard and daylight, the project made a conscious decision to keep meeting times the same for the
North American community members.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I for one am greatly appreciative of that. It helps me avoid major carnage on my calendar.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">But I’m wondering if we’ve been optimizing for the wrong users. I have a ton of meetings on my calendar – both internal and for the project. But I would guess
that the bulk of the folks in our community only have a few internal meetings and only attend a few project meetings.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">So maybe we should optimize for the many and not the few?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Is the “provides calendar files in a popular standard format” this [0]? I see that there are no StarlingX meetings listed there.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> Brucej<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">[0]
</span><a href="http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irc-meetings.ical">http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irc-meetings.ical</a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_____replyseparator"></a><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Mark Collier [mailto:mark@openstack.org]
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 19, 2019 10:24 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jeremy Stanley <fungi@yuggoth.org><br>
<b>Cc:</b> starlingx-discuss@lists.starlingx.io<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Starlingx-discuss] timezone confusion on starlingx meetings wiki<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">UTC: Universally Inconvenient<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;overflow-wrap: break-word"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;overflow-wrap: break-word">Has a nice ring to it.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;overflow-wrap: break-word"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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On Wednesday, June 19, 2019 12:21pm, "Jeremy Stanley" <<a href="mailto:fungi@yuggoth.org">fungi@yuggoth.org</a>> said:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">> _______________________________________________<br>
> Starlingx-discuss mailing list<br>
> <a href="mailto:Starlingx-discuss@lists.starlingx.io">Starlingx-discuss@lists.starlingx.io</a><br>
> <a href="http://lists.starlingx.io/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/starlingx-discuss">
http://lists.starlingx.io/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/starlingx-discuss</a><br>
> On 2019-06-19 09:36:05 -0600 (-0600), Chris Friesen wrote:<br>
> > I just noticed that the StarlingX meetings wiki<br>
> > (<a href="https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Starlingx/Meetings">https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Starlingx/Meetings</a>) seems to have<br>
> > mismatching and wrong information.<br>
> [...]<br>
> > nowhere actually uses PST currently as all those locations use PDT in<br>
> > the summer. Does it make sense to have meeting times in PST right now?<br>
> <br>
> If it helps, the OpenStack community long ago gave up on trying to<br>
> book meetings in any TZ other than UTC, and instead provides<br>
> calendar files in a popular standard format and expects meeting<br>
> attendees to be responsible for conversions to their own personal<br>
> local timezones.<br>
> <br>
> There are plenty of parts of the World where people observe no local<br>
> "Summer Time" or "Daylight Savings Time" (including some places in<br>
> the continental USA for that matter), and even the parts which do<br>
> have something like it don't all switch at the same times of year.<br>
> To make matters worse, from one year to the next, governments like<br>
> to decide to change those dates on you so even trying to maintain a<br>
> map of them on your own is ill-advised. For that matter, the entire<br>
> Pacific coast of the USA may soon switch to "year-round DST" which<br>
> means there will essentially be no more PST timezone in the USA.<br>
> <br>
> The only logical solution is to agree on a coordinated, universal<br>
> time. Fortunately there is one. Unfortunately it's not "convenient"<br>
> for a lot of people, but at least it's universally inconvenient.<br>
> --<br>
> Jeremy Stanley<br>
> <o:p></o:p></p>
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