Hello, StarlingX Community.
I'm reviving this thread after the discussion that I led in the Community Meeting earlier today.
I have questions below, and I'm breaking this up into 3 different initiatives:
1. Demo (use case + deploying to the StarlingX platform)
- My suggestion is that this should be a blog post (agree?), given that the idea is to explore a use case showcasing how to deploy to the StarlingX platform.
- The idea is to be based on this demo[1] but change it so we focus on deploying via Helm, not as a StarlingX App, since that's going to be more in line with what most (if not all) end users (should?) do.
2. Enhancements to the Contributor Guide
- This is where that StarlingX App Generator[2][3] thing enters the conversation.
- This might need a Story/Task on the StoryBoard, if there isn't one already (Joshua Reed? Bob Church?).
- Currently, we're working on integrating what we have so far of the StarlingX App Generator[4] into the existing app-gen-tool[5]. Review coming up soon.
- Might need more synchronous communication than it's possible here, what would be the best Matrix channel for that?
3. Small enhancements to the Docs on Application Management[6]
- The idea is to take some of the discussions here about Kubernetes, Helm, Flux, and StarlingX Apps (mostly Greg's initial feedback to this thread) and put this at least on a high-level on the "Application management"[6] section of the User Tasks in the
official Docs.
Your feedback and insights are highly appreciated if not crucial to these initiatives.
Links:
Regards,
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Bruno
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Subject: [Starlingx-discuss] Re: StarlingX App Deployment and Demo
Hi, Greg. Thanks for the quick feedback.
I was off for the last couple of weeks, so I ended up not replying to you. But my team kept working on related things (like an "app generator") and addressed some of your initial comments as well.
Let me organize things with the team here. And then we could reconvene on this topic on the next Community call, maybe?
Regards,
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Bruno
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Subject: RE: StarlingX App Deployment and Demo
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Hey Bruno,
Thanks for putting this together.
Just some initial high-level comments:
- your high-level objective appears to be more about end user’s wanting to run and manage their applications on StarlingX
- ( i.e. not about a StarlingX Community member wanting to contribute the integration of a containerized application into the StarlingX solution )
- For end-users wanting to run and manage their applications on StarlingX
- I think it is very important to stress that you can package, run and manage your application on StarlingX with either
- Helm
- FluxCD
- StarlingX Application
- we do NOT want a StarlingX end user to think that they “HAVE” to re-package their application in the StarlingX Application Packaging and manage their application with StarlingX APIs, in order to
run their application on StarlingX
- we want to make sure that a StarlingX end user who has a HELM packaging of their application that they have developed on vanilla K8S,
knows that he can simply run it and manage it (UNMODIFIED) on StarlingX.
- HELM is the ‘standard’ application package manage for K8S … so need to make sure users know they can package, run and manage their applications on StarlingX with HELM
- FluxCD provides additional application packaging/management capabilities over and above HELM … that again is standard/open
- would be good to highlight what are these additional capabilities, and
- are they all supported on StarlingX’s deployment of FluxCD.
- StarlingX Application provides additional application packaging/management capabilities over and above FluxCD … mostly around custom integration with StarlingX infrastructure management itself.
- would be good to highlight/describe these additional capabilities / additional integration points
- i.e. if I was a user that already had a HELM or FluxCD packaging of my application, why would I want to consider re-packaging it as a StarlingX Application ?
Greg.
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Subject: [Starlingx-discuss] StarlingX App Deployment and Demo
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Hello, StarlingX Community.
We want to share a work we've been doing in the past few weeks which now needs feedback from the Community.
Scenario: package a user application/workload that's not part of the StarlingX ecosystem to run on
StarlingX.
- make it easier for newcomers to evaluate StarlingX with their workloads;
- show some of the platform's capabilities.
Our idea is to center all this around a quick and easy-to-consume Demo page,
with some text and small video demonstrations for each important step. The main doc is complemented by (all still in progress):
It's important to understand that all the info that you'll find in the links above exists somehow either in https://docs.starlingx.io, https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StarlingX, or
in the intangible place that I'll call "knowledge of the folks around the community"
🙂. It's not our intention
to create yet another place to duplicate information, thus the repository linked above will be deleted at some point, but we needed a temporary place to organize all the info we gathered scattered around together with our own empiric tests.
Feel free to use the GitHub
Issues, reply to this message, or reach
out to me on Matrix to give your feedback. Everything is valid for us to better understand the needs of the community, from small enhancements/fixes to opinions
on the format of the presentation or technical aspects of what is being done in this demo regarding the StarlingX platform itself. This won't make us sad or anything: the journey to get all this info together brought us a lot of knowledge about the platform,
which is something we are already applying on our next endeavor with StarlingX.