Thank you all for making this clear.

Currently Zhipeng is working on containerized OpenStack upgrade.

And 3 patches for Horizon upgrade for StarlingX dashboard are also under review.

Yan

From: Jones, Bruce E <bruce.e.jones@intel.com>
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2019 07:45
To: Rowsell, Brent <Brent.Rowsell@windriver.com>; Bailey, Henry Albert (Al) <Al.Bailey@windriver.com>; Chen, Yan <yan.chen@intel.com>; starlingx-discuss@lists.starlingx.io
Subject: RE: [Starlingx-discuss] Train upgrade for openstack clients

Brent, thank you, that makes sense.

Yan & the openstack-distro team – please focus on 1) below –the containerized openstack services.

brucej

From: Rowsell, Brent [mailto:Brent.Rowsell@windriver.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2019 3:55 PM
To: Jones, Bruce E <bruce.e.jones@intel.com>; Bailey, Henry Albert (Al) <Al.Bailey@windriver.com>; Chen, Yan <yan.chen@intel.com>; starlingx-discuss@lists.starlingx.io
Subject: RE: [Starlingx-discuss] Train upgrade for openstack clients

Bruce,

To build on your point below, the problem should be split into 2 parts.

Openstack Cloud support. Openstack is containerized, it does not use puppet
There are a small set of openstack components that run on bare metal that provide services for the “flock” components.

My 2 cents is #1 is the most important. There is no burning need to do #2 as there are no new capabilities in Train that are required.

Brent

From: Jones, Bruce E [mailto:bruce.e.jones@intel.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2019 2:52 PM
To: Bailey, Henry Albert (Al) <Al.Bailey@windriver.com>; Chen, Yan <yan.chen@intel.com>; starlingx-discuss@lists.starlingx.io
Subject: Re: [Starlingx-discuss] Train upgrade for openstack clients

We discussed this topic at the Release meeting today. The conclusion was that we do not want to upgrade puppet or ruby for this release. It’s too risky.

As one of the last features gating our 3.0 release there is some urgency in figuring out the right approach to this upgrade.

Where we need help is figuring out if it is possible to divide the OpenStack world into two parts and treat each part separately.

Most of the OpenStack services running in StarlingX are in containers and should not depend on puppet at all. The 3 services that are not in containers (keystone, barbican and horizon) do depend on puppet.

Is it possible / practical to run the Train versions of the containerized services, while still running the Stein versions of keystone, barbican and horizon in the platform layer?

Or is there another creative solution to the problem?

brucej

From: Bailey, Henry Albert (Al) [mailto:Al.Bailey@windriver.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2019 7:47 AM
To: Jones, Bruce E <bruce.e.jones@intel.com>; Chen, Yan <yan.chen@intel.com>; starlingx-discuss@lists.starlingx.io
Subject: RE: [Starlingx-discuss] Train upgrade for openstack clients

I think the puppet 5 upgrade ends up being one of the more complicated parts of this activity.

It looks like for 5.0.x you need to be cautious about is all the deprecated features in 4 that were removed in 5. It would not surprise me if we were still using some of those deprecated parts.

https://github.com/puppetlabs/docs-archive/blob/master/puppet/5.0/release_notes.markdown

Puppet 5 also uses a newer ruby. We ship ruby 2.0 now. The notes for 5.0 indicate ruby 2.4, which is extra work and can take a while if existing ruby code needs to be changed.

Puppet 5 also claims to have hiera 5 built in. I don’t know what that means, we ship hiera 1.3.4 separarately, so there may be packaging concerns there as well.

Last time when I upversioned puppet from puppet 3 to 4 the most unexpected thing was not the code changes required, but the runtime behavior was different.

Example:

https://opendev.org/starlingx/integ/src/branch/master/config/puppet-4.8.2/centos/patches/1005-Set-strict_variables-and-basemodulepath-in-puppet.co.patch

Experiment with installing train keystone/barbican/horizon with the existing puppet modules.

If a config value is incompatible, then it may require a local change, or an upversion.

From: Jones, Bruce E [mailto:bruce.e.jones@intel.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2019 9:43 AM
To: Chen, Yan; starlingx-discuss@lists.starlingx.io
Subject: Re: [Starlingx-discuss] Train upgrade for openstack clients

Yan, thank you for making this very clear.

As I read this, the puppet modules we use for the openstack clients are several releases old and the update to the Train version would be painful, er I mean lots of fun.

I think we need some input from the broader community.

What are the costs / risks of upgrading to puppet 5.0?

Should we try to upgrade the client puppet modules ourselves (and contribute the changes upstream)? Or is there a better long way we should launch these clients, e.g. should we just write Ansible installers for them?

My thanks to Dean for helping me understand what questions to ask J

brucej

From: Chen, Yan [mailto:yan.chen@intel.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 10:43 PM
To: starlingx-discuss@lists.starlingx.io
Subject: [Starlingx-discuss] Train upgrade for openstack clients

Hi,

I’m now trying to upgrade the openstack clients installed on StarlingX to Train version.

Currently I see the clients are Stein version, but the puppet packages (for those modules that we need to config on StarlingX host) are still old versions. [See the list below.]

But for Train, I met a problem when I wanted to upgrade python-openstackclient/keystone to Train (4.0.0), the old puppet packages cannot work with Train clients and failed when running puppet-manifest-apply.sh.

See from Stein keystone log, some of the deprecated cmds and options are planned to be removed in Train.

If we want to make Train clients work, we may need to do the following steps:

Upgrade puppet itself (required 5.x by Train)
Upgrade all the OpenStack related puppet packages accordingly, and update StarlingX patches.
If flock puppet pkgs are based on puppet 4.8.2, we also need to upgrade our code.
If other puppet pkgs are based on puppet 4.8.2, we also need to upgrade those pkgs.

So is it possible that we keep on using Stein clients with limited test now (need test with Train images, but suppose old functions should still work)?

Here’s the list of the puppet packages and StarlingX patches (for Stein it should be 14.1.0 – 14.4.0, and for Train 15.0.0 – 15.4.0):

Pkg	Current Version	Train Upgrade to	Meta Patch	Patch
puppet	4.8.2	5.x	2	5
puppet-keystone	11.3.0	15.x	6	5
puppet-oslo	11.3.0	15.x	3	2
puppet-openstacklib	11.5.0	15.x	2	1
puppet-horizon	11.5.0	15.x	2	1
puppet-barbican	11.3.0	15.x	0	0

Stein Keystone client logs:

keystone:log 2019-10-10 10:04:44.050 111346 WARNING keystone.server.flask.request_processing.middleware.auth_context [-] The use of the '[DEFAULT] admin_token' configurationoption presents a significant security risk and should not be set. This option is deprecated in favor of using 'keystone-manage bootstrap' and will be removed in a future release.

Yan