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1. Re: Community Communication Channels - VOTE NEEDED (Ildiko Vancsa)<br>
2. Re: Starlingx-discuss Digest, Vol 62, Issue 38 (Liu, David)<br>
3. Re: Community Communication Channels - VOTE NEEDED<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:45:20 -0700<br>
From: Ildiko Vancsa <ildiko@openstack.org><br>
To: StarlingX ML <starlingx-discuss@lists.starlingx.io><br>
Subject: Re: [Starlingx-discuss] Community Communication Channels -<br>
VOTE NEEDED<br>
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Hi StarlingX Community,<br>
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Thank you to everyone who already voted.<br>
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For those who haven?t had the chance yet, it is a friendly reminder to please share your vote about moving to Matrix, to use it as the official chat tool for community communications. Please respond with ?+1?, if you are in support, or share your concerns,
if there is any.<br>
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Please hit ?reply all? to keep the mailing list in the thread with your response.<br>
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I will share the results of the vote early next week, and propose next steps for the TSC to approve.<br>
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Please let me know if you have any questions.<br>
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Best Regards,<br>
Ildik?<br>
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Ildik? V?ncsa<br>
Director of Community<br>
Open Infrastructure Foundation<br>
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> On Jul 17, 2023, at 12:38, Chris Friesen <chris.friesen@windriver.com> wrote:<br>
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> +1, willing to give it a try.<br>
><br>
> On 7/12/2023 5:14 PM, Ildiko Vancsa wrote:<br>
>> CAUTION: This email comes from a non Wind River email account!<br>
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>> Hi,<br>
>><br>
>> Thank you all for the feedback so far!<br>
>><br>
>> I haven?t received any objections against the option to start using Matrix as a chat tool for the StarlingX community. People had questions on the Community Call about the tool today, so I collected some useful information to help exploring it:<br>
>><br>
>> - As a reminder, you can find out more about the tool here: <a href="https://matrix.org/">
https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmatrix.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7Crogerio.ferraz%40encora.com%7C1be55554a189430fb99408db88ead6f2%7C1e0c92b0f1bd441ebbe6c778f9ced553%7C0%7C0%7C638254314453256381%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=EMkaWTExXPpD4xVg9dsig%2BrLzbvkcc%2FskBRRaruO5rA%3D&reserved=0</a><br>
>> - There are different options to use as a browser or desktop client. Many of them are also available on smartphones.<br>
>> + I?m using Element - <a href="https://element.io/">https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Felement.io%2F&data=05%7C01%7Crogerio.ferraz%40encora.com%7C1be55554a189430fb99408db88ead6f2%7C1e0c92b0f1bd441ebbe6c778f9ced553%7C0%7C0%7C638254314453256381%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=NsqoRes5jW3a4haSCY%2BEJHwuuOIYZOXYLShILK1iugo%3D&reserved=0</a><br>
>> + Some other options include<br>
>> ~ Weechat - <a href="https://github.com/poljar/weechat-matrix">https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fpoljar%2Fweechat-matrix&data=05%7C01%7Crogerio.ferraz%40encora.com%7C1be55554a189430fb99408db88ead6f2%7C1e0c92b0f1bd441ebbe6c778f9ced553%7C0%7C0%7C638254314453256381%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=zM0fcLGffA9%2FjQHJdx52WDyfxLbpiAxlSqKs8TjGB4A%3D&reserved=0</a><br>
>> ~ SchildiChat - <a href="https://schildi.chat/">https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fschildi.chat%2F&data=05%7C01%7Crogerio.ferraz%40encora.com%7C1be55554a189430fb99408db88ead6f2%7C1e0c92b0f1bd441ebbe6c778f9ced553%7C0%7C0%7C638254314453256381%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=8RDfby0SaHWQtJ5nm9qyDdrm22IVdTC%2FDbnNXCjKE%2BU%3D&reserved=0</a><br>
>> ~ FluffyChat - <a href="https://fluffychat.im/">https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffluffychat.im%2F&data=05%7C01%7Crogerio.ferraz%40encora.com%7C1be55554a189430fb99408db88ead6f2%7C1e0c92b0f1bd441ebbe6c778f9ced553%7C0%7C0%7C638254314453256381%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=VN46IN5kUoe5nVApu57vbYPhI6dechlXNZxhnAKI230%3D&reserved=0</a><br>
>><br>
>> - The #starlingX IRC channel is also available through Matrix - <a href="https://matrix.to/#/!XDOJNehPiaWKvYGWVD:matrix.org?via=matrix.org">
https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmatrix.to%2F%23%2F!XDOJNehPiaWKvYGWVD%3Amatrix.org%3Fvia%3Dmatrix.org&data=05%7C01%7Crogerio.ferraz%40encora.com%7C1be55554a189430fb99408db88ead6f2%7C1e0c92b0f1bd441ebbe6c778f9ced553%7C0%7C0%7C638254314453256381%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=NopvUR1ecGiHDdOC2IWqmXeoc9EoY1LwzE9G%2FKmgL2o%3D&reserved=0</a><br>
>> ~ You will need to create an account first<br>
>> ~ There is documentation available in the Zuul community?s docs about how to register -
<a href="https://zuul-ci.org/docs/zuul/latest/howtos/matrix.html#create-an-account">
https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fzuul-ci.org%2Fdocs%2Fzuul%2Flatest%2Fhowtos%2Fmatrix.html%23create-an-account&data=05%7C01%7Crogerio.ferraz%40encora.com%7C1be55554a189430fb99408db88ead6f2%7C1e0c92b0f1bd441ebbe6c778f9ced553%7C0%7C0%7C638254314453256381%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=sJxVFFns6aTH3n3UNq0%2F4h9LxUEJcOVv9LLe9IzSx2I%3D&reserved=0</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> During the Community Call, it also came up that it would be great to agree on how we would like to utilize a chat tool. For instance, to aovid having too many channels, etc. The current proposal to the Matrix setup is the following:<br>
>><br>
>> - Have multiple chat rooms available for community communication:<br>
>> + starlingx-general room - topics that are relevant to the whole community<br>
>> + StarlingX project team channels<br>
>> ~ topics that are relevant to a project team<br>
>> ~ ie: starlingx-build, starlingx-containers, etc<br>
>> + Optional channel ideas - specific topic areas that are outside of the existing project teams<br>
>> ~ starlingx-newcomers<br>
>> ~ starlingx-troubleshooting<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> __ If you are in support to use Matrix as the chat tool for StarlingX moving forward, please reply to this email with ?+1?.__<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Please let me know if you have any questions, or if you need help with setting up Matrix.<br>
>><br>
>> Best Regards,<br>
>> Ildik?<br>
>><br>
>> ???<br>
>><br>
>> Ildik? V?ncsa<br>
>> Director of Community<br>
>> Open Infrastructure Foundation<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>> On Jul 4, 2023, at 21:42, open infra <openinfradn@gmail.com> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> CentOS, TDF/LibreOffice, and Libre Graphics use Libra Chat and Scala, and many others use discord.<br>
>>> Fedora and many others use metrix. I think its better switch to metrix as as the OpenDev Collaboratory has a metrix server (.as Jeremy Stanley mentioned in his reply).<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 11:34?PM Ildiko Vancsa <ildiko@openinfra.dev> wrote:<br>
>>> Hi StarlingX Community,<br>
>>><br>
>>> I?m reaching out to you about a recurring topic that came up during the PTG last week again.<br>
>>><br>
>>> While the community is actively using the mailing list, it is not always the best platform, as it doesn?t allow for more synchronous chat. Contributors at the event had a growing interest in finding a way to provide the opportunity for more synchronous
communication to capture the project teams? chatters, and enable newcomers to reach out and start to participate.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Challenges:<br>
>>> * Tooling: People raised that while it is an open protocol, IRC still doesn?t feel inclusive due to its simplicity.<br>
>>> * Format: The current one-channel setup doesn?t feel efficient and comfortable, since people need to address everyone in the channel with every topic they have a question or comment about.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Proposal to move forward:<br>
>>> * Tooling: The preferred tool in last week?s conversation was Matrix - <a href="https://matrix.org/">
https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmatrix.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7Crogerio.ferraz%40encora.com%7C1be55554a189430fb99408db88ead6f2%7C1e0c92b0f1bd441ebbe6c778f9ced553%7C0%7C0%7C638254314453256381%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=EMkaWTExXPpD4xVg9dsig%2BrLzbvkcc%2FskBRRaruO5rA%3D&reserved=0</a><br>
>>> - It is an open tool, which ensures continued access to the platform and its features<br>
>>> - It is more modern than IRC<br>
>>><br>
>>> * Format: The idea came up to create multiple channels for the StarlingX project<br>
>>> - We can keep the all-community channel<br>
>>> - We can create channels for each project team, that are more topic specific<br>
>>> - We also have the option to create a channel for newcomers, which could include troubleshooting type of conversations as well<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> In order to identify next steps, please share your feedback about the proposal above. Ie: What do you think about Matrix? Would you be more comfortable using a chat tool with the more fine grained configuration of having multiple channels?<br>
>>><br>
>>> Thanks and Best Regards,<br>
>>> Ildik?<br>
>>><br>
>>> ???<br>
>>><br>
>>> Ildik? V?ncsa<br>
>>> Director of Community<br>
>>> Open Infrastructure Foundation<br>
>>><br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2023 03:08:05 +0000<br>
From: "Liu, David" <David.Liu@windriver.com><br>
To: "starlingx-discuss@lists.starlingx.io"<br>
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Subject: Re: [Starlingx-discuss] Starlingx-discuss Digest, Vol 62,<br>
Issue 38<br>
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Hi,<br>
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I'm working on submit some code for review, and the zuul gate job failed, but I can't download the detailed logs, is there a problem with<br>
The CI server side?<br>
<br>
My zuul job is here:<br>
<a href="https://zuul.opendev.org/t/openstack/build/760e0e486b024f9c9e5c5883af49299c/artifacts">https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fzuul.opendev.org%2Ft%2Fopenstack%2Fbuild%2F760e0e486b024f9c9e5c5883af49299c%2Fartifacts&data=05%7C01%7Crogerio.ferraz%40encora.com%7C1be55554a189430fb99408db88ead6f2%7C1e0c92b0f1bd441ebbe6c778f9ced553%7C0%7C0%7C638254314453256381%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=fkDaghBo3FJ14mESxlptBUYAl%2B%2FTGmzaAQDQdlwEKlk%3D&reserved=0</a><br>
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Thanks,<br>
David<br>
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1. Re: Apt-ostree repository (Short, Charles)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2023 17:02:46 +0000<br>
From: "Short, Charles" <Charles.Short@windriver.com><br>
To: "Waines, Greg" <Greg.Waines@windriver.com>,<br>
"starlingx-discuss@lists.starlingx.io"<br>
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Subject: Re: [Starlingx-discuss] Apt-ostree repository<br>
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Hi<br>
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Answers are in line.<br>
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From: Waines, Greg <Greg.Waines@windriver.com><br>
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2023 12:52 PM<br>
To: Short, Charles <Charles.Short@windriver.com>; starlingx-discuss@lists.starlingx.io<br>
Subject: RE: Apt-ostree repository<br>
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Hey Chuck,<br>
I know we talked about this offline and it was also discussed in today's StarlingX Community meeting ...<br>
<br>
Just to clarify / add-some-detail to your request ... for community understanding ...<br>
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* 'apt-ostree' is sort of a hybrid package manager that allows one to build and manage ostree commits based on DEB PKGs<br>
<br>
Correct it will become a hybrid image/package manager that allows to build and manage ostree commits based on Debian packages.<br>
<br>
<br>
* You are developing this as part of the FLOCK project team's work on 'Software Upgrade/Update Evolution', see stx 9 feature plan spreadsheet
<a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aTjYzUkExodfayt-rjTv466jE-DP8b_YjrTHhXW6G9w/edit#gid=1107209846">
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Correct<br>
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*<br>
* Your development plans for apt-ostree is to develop this generically (i.e. no starlingx specifics), using the debian apt package manager and debian's ostree package.<br>
<br>
That's correct I see possible use cases outside of StarlingX where it could possibly be used for example embedded systems for managing updates, installs, etc.<br>
<br>
<br>
* AND THEN the higher-level StarlingX-specific Software Management code would USE apt-ostree<br>
<br>
StarlingX manages large number of nodes well. I would hope that apt-ostree gets to the point where apt-ostree can manage Debian based systems well.<br>
<br>
*<br>
* As discussed, our long term plans would be to offer/propose this as a debian package to the debian community .... Rather than bury this in starlingx.<br>
* And then we would just include this new debian package in our host packages and use it for starlingx<br>
Correct I would like to start with small and then work our way through a bigger use case within the Debian community.<br>
<br>
<br>
*<br>
* In the meantime, you're proposing that we create an apt-ostree repo in starlingx, as sort of an incubation period ... in order to develop apt-ostree and meet stx 9 release schedules.<br>
* With the intent to move it to the debian community later.<br>
<br>
Correct<br>
<br>
<br>
Greg.<br>
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p.s. I'm a +1 for new short-term apt-ostree repo<br>
<br>
<br>
From: Short, Charles <Charles.Short@windriver.com<mailto:Charles.Short@windriver.com>><br>
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2023 4:08 PM<br>
To: starlingx-discuss@lists.starlingx.io<mailto:starlingx-discuss@lists.starlingx.io><br>
Subject: [Starlingx-discuss] Apt-ostree repository<br>
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Hi,<br>
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I been working on a Debian based ostree package management system for the past couple of months. It is similar to how rpm-ostree manages packages with ostree on Fedora. I was wondering if there were any objections to adding the repository to the starlingx namespace
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Thanks<br>
chuck<br>
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2023 06:29:08 +0000<br>
From: "Jaiswal, Abhishek" <Abhishek.Jaiswal@windriver.com><br>
To: Ildiko Vancsa <ildiko@openstack.org>, StarlingX ML<br>
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Subject: Re: [Starlingx-discuss] Community Communication Channels -<br>
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Hi StarlingX Community,<br>
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Thank you to everyone who already voted.<br>
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For those who haven?t had the chance yet, it is a friendly reminder to please share your vote about moving to Matrix, to use it as the official chat tool for community communications. Please respond with ?+1?, if you are in support, or share your concerns,
if there is any.<br>
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Please hit ?reply all? to keep the mailing list in the thread with your response.<br>
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I will share the results of the vote early next week, and propose next steps for the TSC to approve.<br>
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Please let me know if you have any questions.<br>
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Best Regards,<br>
Ildik?<br>
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> On Jul 17, 2023, at 12:38, Chris Friesen <chris.friesen@windriver.com> wrote:<br>
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> +1, willing to give it a try.<br>
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> On 7/12/2023 5:14 PM, Ildiko Vancsa wrote:<br>
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>> Hi,<br>
>><br>
>> Thank you all for the feedback so far!<br>
>><br>
>> I haven?t received any objections against the option to start using Matrix as a chat tool for the StarlingX community. People had questions on the Community Call about the tool today, so I collected some useful information to help exploring it:<br>
>><br>
>> - As a reminder, you can find out more about the tool here: <a href="https://matrix.org/">
https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmatrix.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7Crogerio.ferraz%40encora.com%7C1be55554a189430fb99408db88ead6f2%7C1e0c92b0f1bd441ebbe6c778f9ced553%7C0%7C0%7C638254314453412513%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=iBJ0ahPiawRo051ThlK4SfNUmbvZ6iLLm9NQnh2e38I%3D&reserved=0</a><br>
>> - There are different options to use as a browser or desktop client. Many of them are also available on smartphones.<br>
>> + I?m using Element - <a href="https://element.io/">https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Felement.io%2F&data=05%7C01%7Crogerio.ferraz%40encora.com%7C1be55554a189430fb99408db88ead6f2%7C1e0c92b0f1bd441ebbe6c778f9ced553%7C0%7C0%7C638254314453412513%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=boM7m3HacHvn23zVWOekKdJK4g3RoL%2BKzunqkIpy43Q%3D&reserved=0</a><br>
>> + Some other options include<br>
>> ~ Weechat - <a href="https://github.com/poljar/weechat-matrix">https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fpoljar%2Fweechat-matrix&data=05%7C01%7Crogerio.ferraz%40encora.com%7C1be55554a189430fb99408db88ead6f2%7C1e0c92b0f1bd441ebbe6c778f9ced553%7C0%7C0%7C638254314453412513%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=AUMOHVVih8UItZqLQROzQeKDaGrfeKqdXErKRCzIgYM%3D&reserved=0</a><br>
>> ~ SchildiChat - <a href="https://schildi.chat/">https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fschildi.chat%2F&data=05%7C01%7Crogerio.ferraz%40encora.com%7C1be55554a189430fb99408db88ead6f2%7C1e0c92b0f1bd441ebbe6c778f9ced553%7C0%7C0%7C638254314453412513%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=GrHzL3KOMzxYMe8Q2vj8IXMm5fbV%2FQwUZ7yvGkrD3rg%3D&reserved=0</a><br>
>> ~ FluffyChat - <a href="https://fluffychat.im/">https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffluffychat.im%2F&data=05%7C01%7Crogerio.ferraz%40encora.com%7C1be55554a189430fb99408db88ead6f2%7C1e0c92b0f1bd441ebbe6c778f9ced553%7C0%7C0%7C638254314453412513%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=f1jshr5%2BY1SkPGqs0%2B8hOwZxWSlFXaUjPc6VBgr8khQ%3D&reserved=0</a><br>
>><br>
>> - The #starlingX IRC channel is also available through Matrix - <a href="https://matrix.to/#/!XDOJNehPiaWKvYGWVD:matrix.org?via=matrix.org">
https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmatrix.to%2F%23%2F!XDOJNehPiaWKvYGWVD%3Amatrix.org%3Fvia%3Dmatrix.org&data=05%7C01%7Crogerio.ferraz%40encora.com%7C1be55554a189430fb99408db88ead6f2%7C1e0c92b0f1bd441ebbe6c778f9ced553%7C0%7C0%7C638254314453412513%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=AuRTgdtvynN9%2Fgqymdvnf86mlsdyBGLb6%2BrJhzp1vi4%3D&reserved=0</a><br>
>> ~ You will need to create an account first<br>
>> ~ There is documentation available in the Zuul community?s docs about how to register -
<a href="https://zuul-ci.org/docs/zuul/latest/howtos/matrix.html#create-an-account">
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>><br>
>> During the Community Call, it also came up that it would be great to agree on how we would like to utilize a chat tool. For instance, to aovid having too many channels, etc. The current proposal to the Matrix setup is the following:<br>
>><br>
>> - Have multiple chat rooms available for community communication:<br>
>> + starlingx-general room - topics that are relevant to the whole community<br>
>> + StarlingX project team channels<br>
>> ~ topics that are relevant to a project team<br>
>> ~ ie: starlingx-build, starlingx-containers, etc<br>
>> + Optional channel ideas - specific topic areas that are outside of the existing project teams<br>
>> ~ starlingx-newcomers<br>
>> ~ starlingx-troubleshooting<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> __ If you are in support to use Matrix as the chat tool for StarlingX moving forward, please reply to this email with ?+1?.__<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Please let me know if you have any questions, or if you need help with setting up Matrix.<br>
>><br>
>> Best Regards,<br>
>> Ildik?<br>
>><br>
>> ???<br>
>><br>
>> Ildik? V?ncsa<br>
>> Director of Community<br>
>> Open Infrastructure Foundation<br>
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>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>> On Jul 4, 2023, at 21:42, open infra <openinfradn@gmail.com> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> CentOS, TDF/LibreOffice, and Libre Graphics use Libra Chat and Scala, and many others use discord.<br>
>>> Fedora and many others use metrix. I think its better switch to metrix as as the OpenDev Collaboratory has a metrix server (.as Jeremy Stanley mentioned in his reply).<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 11:34?PM Ildiko Vancsa <ildiko@openinfra.dev> wrote:<br>
>>> Hi StarlingX Community,<br>
>>><br>
>>> I?m reaching out to you about a recurring topic that came up during the PTG last week again.<br>
>>><br>
>>> While the community is actively using the mailing list, it is not always the best platform, as it doesn?t allow for more synchronous chat. Contributors at the event had a growing interest in finding a way to provide the opportunity for more synchronous
communication to capture the project teams? chatters, and enable newcomers to reach out and start to participate.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Challenges:<br>
>>> * Tooling: People raised that while it is an open protocol, IRC still doesn?t feel inclusive due to its simplicity.<br>
>>> * Format: The current one-channel setup doesn?t feel efficient and comfortable, since people need to address everyone in the channel with every topic they have a question or comment about.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Proposal to move forward:<br>
>>> * Tooling: The preferred tool in last week?s conversation was Matrix - <a href="https://matrix.org/">
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>>> - It is an open tool, which ensures continued access to the platform and its features<br>
>>> - It is more modern than IRC<br>
>>><br>
>>> * Format: The idea came up to create multiple channels for the StarlingX project<br>
>>> - We can keep the all-community channel<br>
>>> - We can create channels for each project team, that are more topic specific<br>
>>> - We also have the option to create a channel for newcomers, which could include troubleshooting type of conversations as well<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> In order to identify next steps, please share your feedback about the proposal above. Ie: What do you think about Matrix? Would you be more comfortable using a chat tool with the more fine grained configuration of having multiple channels?<br>
>>><br>
>>> Thanks and Best Regards,<br>
>>> Ildik?<br>
>>><br>
>>> ???<br>
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>>> Ildik? V?ncsa<br>
>>> Director of Community<br>
>>> Open Infrastructure Foundation<br>
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