[Starlingx-discuss] Community Communication Channels
Hi StarlingX Community, I’m reaching out to you about a recurring topic that came up during the PTG last week again. While the community is actively using the mailing list, it is not always the best platform, as it doesn’t allow for more synchronous chat. Contributors at the event had a growing interest in finding a way to provide the opportunity for more synchronous communication to capture the project teams’ chatters, and enable newcomers to reach out and start to participate. Challenges: * Tooling: People raised that while it is an open protocol, IRC still doesn’t feel inclusive due to its simplicity. * Format: The current one-channel setup doesn’t feel efficient and comfortable, since people need to address everyone in the channel with every topic they have a question or comment about. Proposal to move forward: * Tooling: The preferred tool in last week’s conversation was Matrix - https://matrix.org - It is an open tool, which ensures continued access to the platform and its features - It is more modern than IRC * Format: The idea came up to create multiple channels for the StarlingX project - We can keep the all-community channel - We can create channels for each project team, that are more topic specific - We also have the option to create a channel for newcomers, which could include troubleshooting type of conversations as well In order to identify next steps, please share your feedback about the proposal above. Ie: What do you think about Matrix? Would you be more comfortable using a chat tool with the more fine grained configuration of having multiple channels? Thanks and Best Regards, Ildikó ——— Ildikó Váncsa Director of Community Open Infrastructure Foundation
On 2023-06-22 10:53:54 -0700 (-0700), Ildiko Vancsa wrote: [...]
Proposal to move forward: * Tooling: The preferred tool in last week’s conversation was Matrix - https://matrix.org - It is an open tool, which ensures continued access to the platform and its features - It is more modern than IRC
* Format: The idea came up to create multiple channels for the StarlingX project - We can keep the all-community channel - We can create channels for each project team, that are more topic specific - We also have the option to create a channel for newcomers, which could include troubleshooting type of conversations as well [...]
If it assists in the decision making, the OpenDev Collaboratory has a Matrix homeserver which can host channels. The Zuul community is making use of this option, with their primary discussion channel being #zuul:opendev.org for the past few years already. Our GerritBot can be told to join specific Matrix channels and report on change events similarly to how it works on IRC (feel free to join the Zuul channel if you want to see what that ends up looking like). We have plans to port some of our other IRC bots to Matrix as well, and help with that is always welcome of course. A middle ground, instead of a pure Matrix channel, is to join IRC channels through Matrix's OFTC bridge. Users who are connecting to IRC that way get access to basically all of Matrix's native features, while people connecting with a traditional IRC client can still mostly see what they're saying and vice versa (Matrix features like multi-line comments, inline media and fancy formatting are transformed into summaries with URLs to view the rest in a browser). -- Jeremy Stanley
On 2023-06-22 18:54:26 +0000 (+0000), Jeremy Stanley wrote: [...]
The Zuul community is making use of this option, with their primary discussion channel being #zuul:opendev.org for the past few years already. [...] A middle ground, instead of a pure Matrix channel, is to join IRC channels through Matrix's OFTC bridge. [...]
Oh, I meant to mention, Zuul also has some fairly straightforward documentation about using Matrix, including as a way of accessing traditional IRC networks: https://zuul-ci.org/docs/zuul/latest/howtos/matrix.html As always, the documentation is published under an open license, so if someone wanted to use it as the basis for a similar set of documents for the StarlingX community, that would get you a nice head-start for newcomers too. -- Jeremy Stanley
CentOS, TDF/LibreOffice, and Libre Graphics use Libra Chat and Scala, and many others use discord. Fedora and many others use metrix. I think its better switch to metrix as as the OpenDev Collaboratory has a metrix server (.as Jeremy Stanley mentioned in his reply). On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 11:34 PM Ildiko Vancsa <ildiko@openinfra.dev> wrote:
Hi StarlingX Community,
I’m reaching out to you about a recurring topic that came up during the PTG last week again.
While the community is actively using the mailing list, it is not always the best platform, as it doesn’t allow for more synchronous chat. Contributors at the event had a growing interest in finding a way to provide the opportunity for more synchronous communication to capture the project teams’ chatters, and enable newcomers to reach out and start to participate.
Challenges: * Tooling: People raised that while it is an open protocol, IRC still doesn’t feel inclusive due to its simplicity. * Format: The current one-channel setup doesn’t feel efficient and comfortable, since people need to address everyone in the channel with every topic they have a question or comment about.
Proposal to move forward: * Tooling: The preferred tool in last week’s conversation was Matrix - https://matrix.org - It is an open tool, which ensures continued access to the platform and its features - It is more modern than IRC
* Format: The idea came up to create multiple channels for the StarlingX project - We can keep the all-community channel - We can create channels for each project team, that are more topic specific - We also have the option to create a channel for newcomers, which could include troubleshooting type of conversations as well
In order to identify next steps, please share your feedback about the proposal above. Ie: What do you think about Matrix? Would you be more comfortable using a chat tool with the more fine grained configuration of having multiple channels?
Thanks and Best Regards, Ildikó
———
Ildikó Váncsa Director of Community Open Infrastructure Foundation
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Hi, Thank you all for the feedback so far! I haven’t received any objections against the option to start using Matrix as a chat tool for the StarlingX community. People had questions on the Community Call about the tool today, so I collected some useful information to help exploring it: - As a reminder, you can find out more about the tool here: https://matrix.org - There are different options to use as a browser or desktop client. Many of them are also available on smartphones. + I’m using Element - https://element.io + Some other options include ~ Weechat - https://github.com/poljar/weechat-matrix ~ SchildiChat - https://schildi.chat/ ~ FluffyChat - https://fluffychat.im/ - The #starlingX IRC channel is also available through Matrix - https://matrix.to/#/!XDOJNehPiaWKvYGWVD:matrix.org?via=matrix.org ~ You will need to create an account first ~ There is documentation available in the Zuul community’s docs about how to register - https://zuul-ci.org/docs/zuul/latest/howtos/matrix.html#create-an-account During the Community Call, it also came up that it would be great to agree on how we would like to utilize a chat tool. For instance, to aovid having too many channels, etc. The current proposal to the Matrix setup is the following: - Have multiple chat rooms available for community communication: + starlingx-general room - topics that are relevant to the whole community + StarlingX project team channels ~ topics that are relevant to a project team ~ ie: starlingx-build, starlingx-containers, etc + Optional channel ideas - specific topic areas that are outside of the existing project teams ~ starlingx-newcomers ~ starlingx-troubleshooting __ If you are in support to use Matrix as the chat tool for StarlingX moving forward, please reply to this email with ‘+1’.__ Please let me know if you have any questions, or if you need help with setting up Matrix. Best Regards, Ildikó ——— Ildikó Váncsa Director of Community Open Infrastructure Foundation
On Jul 4, 2023, at 21:42, open infra <openinfradn@gmail.com> wrote:
CentOS, TDF/LibreOffice, and Libre Graphics use Libra Chat and Scala, and many others use discord. Fedora and many others use metrix. I think its better switch to metrix as as the OpenDev Collaboratory has a metrix server (.as Jeremy Stanley mentioned in his reply).
On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 11:34 PM Ildiko Vancsa <ildiko@openinfra.dev> wrote: Hi StarlingX Community,
I’m reaching out to you about a recurring topic that came up during the PTG last week again.
While the community is actively using the mailing list, it is not always the best platform, as it doesn’t allow for more synchronous chat. Contributors at the event had a growing interest in finding a way to provide the opportunity for more synchronous communication to capture the project teams’ chatters, and enable newcomers to reach out and start to participate.
Challenges: * Tooling: People raised that while it is an open protocol, IRC still doesn’t feel inclusive due to its simplicity. * Format: The current one-channel setup doesn’t feel efficient and comfortable, since people need to address everyone in the channel with every topic they have a question or comment about.
Proposal to move forward: * Tooling: The preferred tool in last week’s conversation was Matrix - https://matrix.org - It is an open tool, which ensures continued access to the platform and its features - It is more modern than IRC
* Format: The idea came up to create multiple channels for the StarlingX project - We can keep the all-community channel - We can create channels for each project team, that are more topic specific - We also have the option to create a channel for newcomers, which could include troubleshooting type of conversations as well
In order to identify next steps, please share your feedback about the proposal above. Ie: What do you think about Matrix? Would you be more comfortable using a chat tool with the more fine grained configuration of having multiple channels?
Thanks and Best Regards, Ildikó
———
Ildikó Váncsa Director of Community Open Infrastructure Foundation
_______________________________________________ Starlingx-discuss mailing list Starlingx-discuss@lists.starlingx.io _______________________________________________ Starlingx-discuss mailing list Starlingx-discuss@lists.starlingx.io
+1 Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> ________________________________ From: Ildiko Vancsa <ildiko@openinfra.dev> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2023 6:14:07 AM To: StarlingX ML <starlingx-discuss@lists.starlingx.io> Subject: Re: [Starlingx-discuss] Community Communication Channels - VOTE NEEDED Hi, Thank you all for the feedback so far! I haven’t received any objections against the option to start using Matrix as a chat tool for the StarlingX community. People had questions on the Community Call about the tool today, so I collected some useful information to help exploring it: - As a reminder, you can find out more about the tool here: https://matrix.org - There are different options to use as a browser or desktop client. Many of them are also available on smartphones. + I’m using Element - https://element.io + Some other options include ~ Weechat - https://github.com/poljar/weechat-matrix ~ SchildiChat - https://schildi.chat/ ~ FluffyChat - https://fluffychat.im/ - The #starlingX IRC channel is also available through Matrix - https://matrix.to/#/!XDOJNehPiaWKvYGWVD:matrix.org?via=matrix.org ~ You will need to create an account first ~ There is documentation available in the Zuul community’s docs about how to register - https://zuul-ci.org/docs/zuul/latest/howtos/matrix.html#create-an-account During the Community Call, it also came up that it would be great to agree on how we would like to utilize a chat tool. For instance, to aovid having too many channels, etc. The current proposal to the Matrix setup is the following: - Have multiple chat rooms available for community communication: + starlingx-general room - topics that are relevant to the whole community + StarlingX project team channels ~ topics that are relevant to a project team ~ ie: starlingx-build, starlingx-containers, etc + Optional channel ideas - specific topic areas that are outside of the existing project teams ~ starlingx-newcomers ~ starlingx-troubleshooting __ If you are in support to use Matrix as the chat tool for StarlingX moving forward, please reply to this email with ‘+1’.__ Please let me know if you have any questions, or if you need help with setting up Matrix. Best Regards, Ildikó ——— Ildikó Váncsa Director of Community Open Infrastructure Foundation
On Jul 4, 2023, at 21:42, open infra <openinfradn@gmail.com> wrote:
CentOS, TDF/LibreOffice, and Libre Graphics use Libra Chat and Scala, and many others use discord. Fedora and many others use metrix. I think its better switch to metrix as as the OpenDev Collaboratory has a metrix server (.as Jeremy Stanley mentioned in his reply).
On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 11:34 PM Ildiko Vancsa <ildiko@openinfra.dev> wrote: Hi StarlingX Community,
I’m reaching out to you about a recurring topic that came up during the PTG last week again.
While the community is actively using the mailing list, it is not always the best platform, as it doesn’t allow for more synchronous chat. Contributors at the event had a growing interest in finding a way to provide the opportunity for more synchronous communication to capture the project teams’ chatters, and enable newcomers to reach out and start to participate.
Challenges: * Tooling: People raised that while it is an open protocol, IRC still doesn’t feel inclusive due to its simplicity. * Format: The current one-channel setup doesn’t feel efficient and comfortable, since people need to address everyone in the channel with every topic they have a question or comment about.
Proposal to move forward: * Tooling: The preferred tool in last week’s conversation was Matrix - https://matrix.org - It is an open tool, which ensures continued access to the platform and its features - It is more modern than IRC
* Format: The idea came up to create multiple channels for the StarlingX project - We can keep the all-community channel - We can create channels for each project team, that are more topic specific - We also have the option to create a channel for newcomers, which could include troubleshooting type of conversations as well
In order to identify next steps, please share your feedback about the proposal above. Ie: What do you think about Matrix? Would you be more comfortable using a chat tool with the more fine grained configuration of having multiple channels?
Thanks and Best Regards, Ildikó
———
Ildikó Váncsa Director of Community Open Infrastructure Foundation
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+1 as long as we have a date to stop using IRC. Otherwise we will have to keep watching both messaging platforms. Douglas Lopes Pereira Software Development Manager M: +55 (19) 99212-3212 Campinas, BR [Encora]<https://www.encora.com/> [We are proud to be recognized as Leaders in digital engineering services by Zinnov zones] ________________________________ From: Ildiko Vancsa <ildiko@openinfra.dev> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 8:14 PM To: StarlingX ML <starlingx-discuss@lists.starlingx.io> Subject: Re: [Starlingx-discuss] Community Communication Channels - VOTE NEEDED External Mail: Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Hi, Thank you all for the feedback so far! I haven’t received any objections against the option to start using Matrix as a chat tool for the StarlingX community. People had questions on the Community Call about the tool today, so I collected some useful information to help exploring it: - As a reminder, you can find out more about the tool here: https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmatrix.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7Cdouglas.pereira%40encora.com%7C8cde130bfb9d432264cc08db832e7b2d%7C1e0c92b0f1bd441ebbe6c778f9ced553%7C0%7C0%7C638248007905555421%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=D49m6fzCXfQIfXwXfYIS5soeg%2BztwaA79tv3h9dxTGw%3D&reserved=0<https://matrix.org/> - There are different options to use as a browser or desktop client. Many of them are also available on smartphones. + I’m using Element - https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Felement.io%2F&data=05%7C01%7Cdouglas.pereira%40encora.com%7C8cde130bfb9d432264cc08db832e7b2d%7C1e0c92b0f1bd441ebbe6c778f9ced553%7C0%7C0%7C638248007905555421%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=0fOYxs0f5kviUFDsqiVOkOn5dBKyQQ7PQxiLHiDk9EU%3D&reserved=0<https://element.io/> + Some other options include ~ Weechat - https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fpoljar%2Fweechat-matrix&data=05%7C01%7Cdouglas.pereira%40encora.com%7C8cde130bfb9d432264cc08db832e7b2d%7C1e0c92b0f1bd441ebbe6c778f9ced553%7C0%7C0%7C638248007905555421%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=74gHLsZPLm%2BLOkmEwka5RIAi8QHxH4iueO1%2F3Ut6TOo%3D&reserved=0<https://github.com/poljar/weechat-matrix> ~ SchildiChat - https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fschildi.chat%2F&data=05%7C01%7Cdouglas.pereira%40encora.com%7C8cde130bfb9d432264cc08db832e7b2d%7C1e0c92b0f1bd441ebbe6c778f9ced553%7C0%7C0%7C638248007905555421%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=2toirOUtk8DD8mg5vsSy8xS%2FgDxELE1AwOlzbapuXSE%3D&reserved=0<https://schildi.chat/> ~ FluffyChat - https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffluffychat.im%2F&data=05%7C01%7Cdouglas.pereira%40encora.com%7C8cde130bfb9d432264cc08db832e7b2d%7C1e0c92b0f1bd441ebbe6c778f9ced553%7C0%7C0%7C638248007905555421%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=VaddpohtfLmc3kdugAJGoDECmidvuduuXMSnIWCvoD4%3D&reserved=0<https://fluffychat.im/> - The #starlingX IRC channel is also available through Matrix - https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmatrix.to%2F%23%2F!XDOJNehPiaWKvYGWVD%3Amatrix.org%3Fvia%3Dmatrix.org&data=05%7C01%7Cdouglas.pereira%40encora.com%7C8cde130bfb9d432264cc08db832e7b2d%7C1e0c92b0f1bd441ebbe6c778f9ced553%7C0%7C0%7C638248007905555421%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2FP1ipjfdxTJmaPoqJVE2VSuwg%2FUORDqbxlw%2Bd6KG6Lk%3D&reserved=0<https://matrix.to/#/!XDOJNehPiaWKvYGWVD:matrix.org?via=matrix.org> ~ You will need to create an account first ~ There is documentation available in the Zuul community’s docs about how to register - https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fzuul-ci.org%2Fdocs%2Fzuul%2Flatest%2Fhowtos%2Fmatrix.html%23create-an-account&data=05%7C01%7Cdouglas.pereira%40encora.com%7C8cde130bfb9d432264cc08db832e7b2d%7C1e0c92b0f1bd441ebbe6c778f9ced553%7C0%7C0%7C638248007905555421%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=t54aPFcB6Ca6iSf5xAezP3pcpo4yhV7TnbXmB9RJlHg%3D&reserved=0<https://zuul-ci.org/docs/zuul/latest/howtos/matrix.html#create-an-account> During the Community Call, it also came up that it would be great to agree on how we would like to utilize a chat tool. For instance, to aovid having too many channels, etc. The current proposal to the Matrix setup is the following: - Have multiple chat rooms available for community communication: + starlingx-general room - topics that are relevant to the whole community + StarlingX project team channels ~ topics that are relevant to a project team ~ ie: starlingx-build, starlingx-containers, etc + Optional channel ideas - specific topic areas that are outside of the existing project teams ~ starlingx-newcomers ~ starlingx-troubleshooting __ If you are in support to use Matrix as the chat tool for StarlingX moving forward, please reply to this email with ‘+1’.__ Please let me know if you have any questions, or if you need help with setting up Matrix. Best Regards, Ildikó ——— Ildikó Váncsa Director of Community Open Infrastructure Foundation
On Jul 4, 2023, at 21:42, open infra <openinfradn@gmail.com> wrote:
CentOS, TDF/LibreOffice, and Libre Graphics use Libra Chat and Scala, and many others use discord. Fedora and many others use metrix. I think its better switch to metrix as as the OpenDev Collaboratory has a metrix server (.as Jeremy Stanley mentioned in his reply).
On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 11:34 PM Ildiko Vancsa <ildiko@openinfra.dev> wrote: Hi StarlingX Community,
I’m reaching out to you about a recurring topic that came up during the PTG last week again.
While the community is actively using the mailing list, it is not always the best platform, as it doesn’t allow for more synchronous chat. Contributors at the event had a growing interest in finding a way to provide the opportunity for more synchronous communication to capture the project teams’ chatters, and enable newcomers to reach out and start to participate.
Challenges: * Tooling: People raised that while it is an open protocol, IRC still doesn’t feel inclusive due to its simplicity. * Format: The current one-channel setup doesn’t feel efficient and comfortable, since people need to address everyone in the channel with every topic they have a question or comment about.
Proposal to move forward: * Tooling: The preferred tool in last week’s conversation was Matrix - https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmatrix.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7Cdouglas.pereira%40encora.com%7C8cde130bfb9d432264cc08db832e7b2d%7C1e0c92b0f1bd441ebbe6c778f9ced553%7C0%7C0%7C638248007905555421%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=D49m6fzCXfQIfXwXfYIS5soeg%2BztwaA79tv3h9dxTGw%3D&reserved=0<https://matrix.org/> - It is an open tool, which ensures continued access to the platform and its features - It is more modern than IRC
* Format: The idea came up to create multiple channels for the StarlingX project - We can keep the all-community channel - We can create channels for each project team, that are more topic specific - We also have the option to create a channel for newcomers, which could include troubleshooting type of conversations as well
In order to identify next steps, please share your feedback about the proposal above. Ie: What do you think about Matrix? Would you be more comfortable using a chat tool with the more fine grained configuration of having multiple channels?
Thanks and Best Regards, Ildikó
———
Ildikó Váncsa Director of Community Open Infrastructure Foundation
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On 2023-07-13 12:05:52 +0000 (+0000), Douglas Lopes Pereira wrote:
+1 as long as we have a date to stop using IRC. Otherwise we will have to keep watching both messaging platforms. [...]
As Ildiko mentioned, Matrix is bridged to a number of IRC networks, including OFTC where the current StarlingX channels reside. If they want, Matrix users can (for all intents and purposes) treat those as "just more Matrix channels." Matrix users get pretty much all the standard Matrix features when interacting on IRC channels through a bridge, while users who are in those channels via traditional IRC protocol can still interact with everyone there (albeit with a degraded feature set compared to using Matrix). I wouldn't recommend maintaining an official presence in the IRC channels after you complete a transition to Matrix, but it's still pretty easy for a handful of people to keep an eye on the old IRC channels through Matrix and try to help reroute newcomers who aren't aware you've moved. That's what the Zuul community did when it switched to Matrix a few years ago. -- Jeremy Stanley
+1 ________________________________ From: Ildiko Vancsa <ildiko@openinfra.dev> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 20:14 To: StarlingX ML <starlingx-discuss@lists.starlingx.io> Subject: Re: [Starlingx-discuss] Community Communication Channels - VOTE NEEDED External Mail: Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Hi, Thank you all for the feedback so far! I haven’t received any objections against the option to start using Matrix as a chat tool for the StarlingX community. People had questions on the Community Call about the tool today, so I collected some useful information to help exploring it: - As a reminder, you can find out more about the tool here: https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmatrix.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7Cbruno.muniz%40encora.com%7Cdaf2b409b7404f8d020f08db832e25d0%7C1e0c92b0f1bd441ebbe6c778f9ced553%7C0%7C0%7C638248006473007823%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=J6SMqIaBXd3qFzcwI97sKcQpEhCCq%2BvzbK44JfoF3vU%3D&reserved=0<https://matrix.org/> - There are different options to use as a browser or desktop client. Many of them are also available on smartphones. + I’m using Element - https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Felement.io%2F&data=05%7C01%7Cbruno.muniz%40encora.com%7Cdaf2b409b7404f8d020f08db832e25d0%7C1e0c92b0f1bd441ebbe6c778f9ced553%7C0%7C0%7C638248006473007823%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=oMIpD33WtcwgSuKAKJbt3N3vk5KukdFD%2FsSbtWj311I%3D&reserved=0<https://element.io/> + Some other options include ~ Weechat - https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fpoljar%2Fweechat-matrix&data=05%7C01%7Cbruno.muniz%40encora.com%7Cdaf2b409b7404f8d020f08db832e25d0%7C1e0c92b0f1bd441ebbe6c778f9ced553%7C0%7C0%7C638248006473007823%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=RlX6s6akYJFJac%2FtEDuagXDLbS0Gh%2FLeEED1asIRGD4%3D&reserved=0<https://github.com/poljar/weechat-matrix> ~ SchildiChat - https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fschildi.chat%2F&data=05%7C01%7Cbruno.muniz%40encora.com%7Cdaf2b409b7404f8d020f08db832e25d0%7C1e0c92b0f1bd441ebbe6c778f9ced553%7C0%7C0%7C638248006473007823%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Buba0PcDl1WJdtqqAiwxxjt5C8jmiUiQdOFLYuf39wk%3D&reserved=0<https://schildi.chat/> ~ FluffyChat - https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffluffychat.im%2F&data=05%7C01%7Cbruno.muniz%40encora.com%7Cdaf2b409b7404f8d020f08db832e25d0%7C1e0c92b0f1bd441ebbe6c778f9ced553%7C0%7C0%7C638248006473007823%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=QYg7JoIDy2UEPnS3HYZMkhlTtej2kL0IJdN1ngB5fLw%3D&reserved=0<https://fluffychat.im/> - The #starlingX IRC channel is also available through Matrix - https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmatrix.to%2F%23%2F!XDOJNehPiaWKvYGWVD%3Amatrix.org%3Fvia%3Dmatrix.org&data=05%7C01%7Cbruno.muniz%40encora.com%7Cdaf2b409b7404f8d020f08db832e25d0%7C1e0c92b0f1bd441ebbe6c778f9ced553%7C0%7C0%7C638248006473007823%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=JP%2Fy69h2B9ZzjD0Wz6gohdiqJ43CgzopjjgX3FFuN%2B4%3D&reserved=0<https://matrix.to/#/!XDOJNehPiaWKvYGWVD:matrix.org?via=matrix.org> ~ You will need to create an account first ~ There is documentation available in the Zuul community’s docs about how to register - https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fzuul-ci.org%2Fdocs%2Fzuul%2Flatest%2Fhowtos%2Fmatrix.html%23create-an-account&data=05%7C01%7Cbruno.muniz%40encora.com%7Cdaf2b409b7404f8d020f08db832e25d0%7C1e0c92b0f1bd441ebbe6c778f9ced553%7C0%7C0%7C638248006473007823%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=7YD%2F6EQKvsQp5YLBUSpQbqwucFnfj7ATr%2BAeG8%2BBQSE%3D&reserved=0<https://zuul-ci.org/docs/zuul/latest/howtos/matrix.html#create-an-account> During the Community Call, it also came up that it would be great to agree on how we would like to utilize a chat tool. For instance, to aovid having too many channels, etc. The current proposal to the Matrix setup is the following: - Have multiple chat rooms available for community communication: + starlingx-general room - topics that are relevant to the whole community + StarlingX project team channels ~ topics that are relevant to a project team ~ ie: starlingx-build, starlingx-containers, etc + Optional channel ideas - specific topic areas that are outside of the existing project teams ~ starlingx-newcomers ~ starlingx-troubleshooting __ If you are in support to use Matrix as the chat tool for StarlingX moving forward, please reply to this email with ‘+1’.__ Please let me know if you have any questions, or if you need help with setting up Matrix. Best Regards, Ildikó ——— Ildikó Váncsa Director of Community Open Infrastructure Foundation
On Jul 4, 2023, at 21:42, open infra <openinfradn@gmail.com> wrote:
CentOS, TDF/LibreOffice, and Libre Graphics use Libra Chat and Scala, and many others use discord. Fedora and many others use metrix. I think its better switch to metrix as as the OpenDev Collaboratory has a metrix server (.as Jeremy Stanley mentioned in his reply).
On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 11:34 PM Ildiko Vancsa <ildiko@openinfra.dev> wrote: Hi StarlingX Community,
I’m reaching out to you about a recurring topic that came up during the PTG last week again.
While the community is actively using the mailing list, it is not always the best platform, as it doesn’t allow for more synchronous chat. Contributors at the event had a growing interest in finding a way to provide the opportunity for more synchronous communication to capture the project teams’ chatters, and enable newcomers to reach out and start to participate.
Challenges: * Tooling: People raised that while it is an open protocol, IRC still doesn’t feel inclusive due to its simplicity. * Format: The current one-channel setup doesn’t feel efficient and comfortable, since people need to address everyone in the channel with every topic they have a question or comment about.
Proposal to move forward: * Tooling: The preferred tool in last week’s conversation was Matrix - https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmatrix.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7Cbruno.muniz%40encora.com%7Cdaf2b409b7404f8d020f08db832e25d0%7C1e0c92b0f1bd441ebbe6c778f9ced553%7C0%7C0%7C638248006473007823%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=J6SMqIaBXd3qFzcwI97sKcQpEhCCq%2BvzbK44JfoF3vU%3D&reserved=0<https://matrix.org/> - It is an open tool, which ensures continued access to the platform and its features - It is more modern than IRC
* Format: The idea came up to create multiple channels for the StarlingX project - We can keep the all-community channel - We can create channels for each project team, that are more topic specific - We also have the option to create a channel for newcomers, which could include troubleshooting type of conversations as well
In order to identify next steps, please share your feedback about the proposal above. Ie: What do you think about Matrix? Would you be more comfortable using a chat tool with the more fine grained configuration of having multiple channels?
Thanks and Best Regards, Ildikó
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Ildikó Váncsa Director of Community Open Infrastructure Foundation
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+1 for matrix ________________________________ From: Ildiko Vancsa <ildiko@openinfra.dev> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 8:14 PM To: StarlingX ML <starlingx-discuss@lists.starlingx.io> Subject: Re: [Starlingx-discuss] Community Communication Channels - VOTE NEEDED CAUTION: This email comes from a non Wind River email account! Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Hi, Thank you all for the feedback so far! I haven’t received any objections against the option to start using Matrix as a chat tool for the StarlingX community. People had questions on the Community Call about the tool today, so I collected some useful information to help exploring it: - As a reminder, you can find out more about the tool here: https://matrix.org - There are different options to use as a browser or desktop client. Many of them are also available on smartphones. + I’m using Element - https://element.io + Some other options include ~ Weechat - https://github.com/poljar/weechat-matrix ~ SchildiChat - https://schildi.chat/ ~ FluffyChat - https://fluffychat.im/ - The #starlingX IRC channel is also available through Matrix - https://matrix.to/#/!XDOJNehPiaWKvYGWVD:matrix.org?via=matrix.org ~ You will need to create an account first ~ There is documentation available in the Zuul community’s docs about how to register - https://zuul-ci.org/docs/zuul/latest/howtos/matrix.html#create-an-account During the Community Call, it also came up that it would be great to agree on how we would like to utilize a chat tool. For instance, to aovid having too many channels, etc. The current proposal to the Matrix setup is the following: - Have multiple chat rooms available for community communication: + starlingx-general room - topics that are relevant to the whole community + StarlingX project team channels ~ topics that are relevant to a project team ~ ie: starlingx-build, starlingx-containers, etc + Optional channel ideas - specific topic areas that are outside of the existing project teams ~ starlingx-newcomers ~ starlingx-troubleshooting __ If you are in support to use Matrix as the chat tool for StarlingX moving forward, please reply to this email with ‘+1’.__ Please let me know if you have any questions, or if you need help with setting up Matrix. Best Regards, Ildikó ——— Ildikó Váncsa Director of Community Open Infrastructure Foundation
On Jul 4, 2023, at 21:42, open infra <openinfradn@gmail.com> wrote:
CentOS, TDF/LibreOffice, and Libre Graphics use Libra Chat and Scala, and many others use discord. Fedora and many others use metrix. I think its better switch to metrix as as the OpenDev Collaboratory has a metrix server (.as Jeremy Stanley mentioned in his reply).
On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 11:34 PM Ildiko Vancsa <ildiko@openinfra.dev> wrote: Hi StarlingX Community,
I’m reaching out to you about a recurring topic that came up during the PTG last week again.
While the community is actively using the mailing list, it is not always the best platform, as it doesn’t allow for more synchronous chat. Contributors at the event had a growing interest in finding a way to provide the opportunity for more synchronous communication to capture the project teams’ chatters, and enable newcomers to reach out and start to participate.
Challenges: * Tooling: People raised that while it is an open protocol, IRC still doesn’t feel inclusive due to its simplicity. * Format: The current one-channel setup doesn’t feel efficient and comfortable, since people need to address everyone in the channel with every topic they have a question or comment about.
Proposal to move forward: * Tooling: The preferred tool in last week’s conversation was Matrix - https://matrix.org - It is an open tool, which ensures continued access to the platform and its features - It is more modern than IRC
* Format: The idea came up to create multiple channels for the StarlingX project - We can keep the all-community channel - We can create channels for each project team, that are more topic specific - We also have the option to create a channel for newcomers, which could include troubleshooting type of conversations as well
In order to identify next steps, please share your feedback about the proposal above. Ie: What do you think about Matrix? Would you be more comfortable using a chat tool with the more fine grained configuration of having multiple channels?
Thanks and Best Regards, Ildikó
———
Ildikó Váncsa Director of Community Open Infrastructure Foundation
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participants (7)
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Bruno Drugowick Muniz
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Cervi, Thales Elero
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Douglas Lopes Pereira
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Ildiko Vancsa
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Jeremy Stanley
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open infra
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Scott Kamp