[Starlingx-discuss] Starlingx-discuss Digest, Vol 62, Issue 39

Thu Jul 20 20:03:16 UTC 2023

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Community Communication Channels - VOTE NEEDED (Ildiko Vancsa)
   2. Re: Starlingx-discuss Digest, Vol 62, Issue 38 (Liu, David)
   3. Re: Community Communication Channels - VOTE NEEDED
      (Jaiswal, Abhishek)

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2023 14:45:20 -0700
From: Ildiko Vancsa <ildiko at openstack.org>
To: StarlingX ML <starlingx-discuss at lists.starlingx.io>
Subject: Re: [Starlingx-discuss] Community Communication Channels -
        VOTE NEEDED
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Hi StarlingX Community,

Thank you to everyone who already voted.

For those who haven?t had the chance yet, it is a friendly reminder to please share your vote about moving to Matrix, to use it as the official chat tool for community communications. Please respond with ?+1?, if you are in support, or share your concerns, if there is any.

Please hit ?reply all? to keep the mailing list in the thread with your response.

I will share the results of the vote early next week, and propose next steps for the TSC to approve.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Best Regards,
Ildik?

???

Ildik? V?ncsa
Director of Community
Open Infrastructure Foundation

> On Jul 17, 2023, at 12:38, Chris Friesen <chris.friesen at windriver.com> wrote:
>
> +1, willing to give it a try.
>
> On 7/12/2023 5:14 PM, Ildiko Vancsa wrote:
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>> Hi,
>>
>> Thank you all for the feedback so far!
>>
>> I haven?t received any objections against the option to start using Matrix as a chat tool for the StarlingX community. People had questions on the Community Call about the tool today, so I collected some useful information to help exploring it:
>>
>> - As a reminder, you can find out more about the tool here: https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmatrix.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7Crogerio.ferraz%40encora.com%7C1be55554a189430fb99408db88ead6f2%7C1e0c92b0f1bd441ebbe6c778f9ced553%7C0%7C0%7C638254314453256381%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=EMkaWTExXPpD4xVg9dsig%2BrLzbvkcc%2FskBRRaruO5rA%3D&reserved=0<https://matrix.org/>
>> - There are different options to use as a browser or desktop client. Many of them are also available on smartphones.
>>   + I?m using Element - https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Felement.io%2F&data=05%7C01%7Crogerio.ferraz%40encora.com%7C1be55554a189430fb99408db88ead6f2%7C1e0c92b0f1bd441ebbe6c778f9ced553%7C0%7C0%7C638254314453256381%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=NsqoRes5jW3a4haSCY%2BEJHwuuOIYZOXYLShILK1iugo%3D&reserved=0<https://element.io/>
>>   + Some other options include
>>     ~ Weechat - https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fpoljar%2Fweechat-matrix&data=05%7C01%7Crogerio.ferraz%40encora.com%7C1be55554a189430fb99408db88ead6f2%7C1e0c92b0f1bd441ebbe6c778f9ced553%7C0%7C0%7C638254314453256381%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=zM0fcLGffA9%2FjQHJdx52WDyfxLbpiAxlSqKs8TjGB4A%3D&reserved=0<https://github.com/poljar/weechat-matrix>
>>     ~ SchildiChat - https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fschildi.chat%2F&data=05%7C01%7Crogerio.ferraz%40encora.com%7C1be55554a189430fb99408db88ead6f2%7C1e0c92b0f1bd441ebbe6c778f9ced553%7C0%7C0%7C638254314453256381%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=8RDfby0SaHWQtJ5nm9qyDdrm22IVdTC%2FDbnNXCjKE%2BU%3D&reserved=0<https://schildi.chat/>
>>     ~ FluffyChat - https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffluffychat.im%2F&data=05%7C01%7Crogerio.ferraz%40encora.com%7C1be55554a189430fb99408db88ead6f2%7C1e0c92b0f1bd441ebbe6c778f9ced553%7C0%7C0%7C638254314453256381%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=VN46IN5kUoe5nVApu57vbYPhI6dechlXNZxhnAKI230%3D&reserved=0<https://fluffychat.im/>
>>
>> - The #starlingX IRC channel is also available through Matrix - https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmatrix.to%2F%23%2F!XDOJNehPiaWKvYGWVD%3Amatrix.org%3Fvia%3Dmatrix.org&data=05%7C01%7Crogerio.ferraz%40encora.com%7C1be55554a189430fb99408db88ead6f2%7C1e0c92b0f1bd441ebbe6c778f9ced553%7C0%7C0%7C638254314453256381%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=NopvUR1ecGiHDdOC2IWqmXeoc9EoY1LwzE9G%2FKmgL2o%3D&reserved=0<https://matrix.to/#/!XDOJNehPiaWKvYGWVD:matrix.org?via=matrix.org>
>>   ~ You will need to create an account first
>>   ~ There is documentation available in the Zuul community?s docs about how to register - https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fzuul-ci.org%2Fdocs%2Fzuul%2Flatest%2Fhowtos%2Fmatrix.html%23create-an-account&data=05%7C01%7Crogerio.ferraz%40encora.com%7C1be55554a189430fb99408db88ead6f2%7C1e0c92b0f1bd441ebbe6c778f9ced553%7C0%7C0%7C638254314453256381%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=sJxVFFns6aTH3n3UNq0%2F4h9LxUEJcOVv9LLe9IzSx2I%3D&reserved=0<https://zuul-ci.org/docs/zuul/latest/howtos/matrix.html#create-an-account>
>>
>>
>> During the Community Call, it also came up that it would be great to agree on how we would like to utilize a chat tool. For instance, to aovid having too many channels, etc. The current proposal to the Matrix setup is the following:
>>
>> - Have multiple chat rooms available for community communication:
>>   + starlingx-general room - topics that are relevant to the whole community
>>   + StarlingX project team channels
>>     ~ topics that are relevant to a project team
>>     ~ ie: starlingx-build, starlingx-containers, etc
>>   + Optional channel ideas - specific topic areas that are outside of the existing project teams
>>     ~ starlingx-newcomers
>>     ~ starlingx-troubleshooting
>>
>>
>> __ If you are in support to use Matrix as the chat tool for StarlingX moving forward, please reply to this email with ?+1?.__
>>
>>
>> Please let me know if you have any questions, or if you need help with setting up Matrix.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Ildik?
>>
>> ???
>>
>> Ildik? V?ncsa
>> Director of Community
>> Open Infrastructure Foundation
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 4, 2023, at 21:42, open infra <openinfradn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> CentOS, TDF/LibreOffice, and Libre Graphics use Libra Chat and Scala, and many others use discord.
>>> Fedora and many others use metrix. I think its better switch to metrix as as the OpenDev Collaboratory has a metrix server (.as Jeremy Stanley mentioned in his reply).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 11:34?PM Ildiko Vancsa <ildiko at openinfra.dev> wrote:
>>> Hi StarlingX Community,
>>>
>>> I?m reaching out to you about a recurring topic that came up during the PTG last week again.
>>>
>>> While the community is actively using the mailing list, it is not always the best platform, as it doesn?t allow for more synchronous chat. Contributors at the event had a growing interest in finding a way to provide the opportunity for more synchronous communication to capture the project teams? chatters, and enable newcomers to reach out and start to participate.
>>>
>>> Challenges:
>>>   * Tooling: People raised that while it is an open protocol, IRC still doesn?t feel inclusive due to its simplicity.
>>>   * Format: The current one-channel setup doesn?t feel efficient and comfortable, since people need to address everyone in the channel with every topic they have a question or comment about.
>>>
>>>
>>> Proposal to move forward:
>>>   * Tooling: The preferred tool in last week?s conversation was Matrix - https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmatrix.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7Crogerio.ferraz%40encora.com%7C1be55554a189430fb99408db88ead6f2%7C1e0c92b0f1bd441ebbe6c778f9ced553%7C0%7C0%7C638254314453256381%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=EMkaWTExXPpD4xVg9dsig%2BrLzbvkcc%2FskBRRaruO5rA%3D&reserved=0<https://matrix.org/>
>>>     - It is an open tool, which ensures continued access to the platform and its features
>>>     - It is more modern than IRC
>>>
>>>   * Format: The idea came up to create multiple channels for the StarlingX project
>>>     - We can keep the all-community channel
>>>     - We can create channels for each project team, that are more topic specific
>>>     - We also have the option to create a channel for newcomers, which could include troubleshooting type of conversations as well
>>>
>>>
>>> In order to identify next steps, please share your feedback about the proposal above. Ie: What do you think about Matrix? Would you be more comfortable using a chat tool with the more fine grained configuration of having multiple channels?
>>>
>>> Thanks and Best Regards,
>>> Ildik?
>>>
>>> ???
>>>
>>> Ildik? V?ncsa
>>> Director of Community
>>> Open Infrastructure Foundation
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2023 03:08:05 +0000
From: "Liu, David" <David.Liu at windriver.com>
To: "starlingx-discuss at lists.starlingx.io"
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Subject: Re: [Starlingx-discuss] Starlingx-discuss Digest, Vol 62,
        Issue 38
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Hi,

I'm working on submit some code for review, and the zuul gate job failed, but I can't download the detailed logs, is there a problem with
The CI server side?

My zuul job is here:
https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fzuul.opendev.org%2Ft%2Fopenstack%2Fbuild%2F760e0e486b024f9c9e5c5883af49299c%2Fartifacts&data=05%7C01%7Crogerio.ferraz%40encora.com%7C1be55554a189430fb99408db88ead6f2%7C1e0c92b0f1bd441ebbe6c778f9ced553%7C0%7C0%7C638254314453256381%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=fkDaghBo3FJ14mESxlptBUYAl%2B%2FTGmzaAQDQdlwEKlk%3D&reserved=0<https://zuul.opendev.org/t/openstack/build/760e0e486b024f9c9e5c5883af49299c/artifacts>

Thanks,
David

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   1. Re: Apt-ostree repository (Short, Charles)

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2023 17:02:46 +0000
From: "Short, Charles" <Charles.Short at windriver.com>
To: "Waines, Greg" <Greg.Waines at windriver.com>,
        "starlingx-discuss at lists.starlingx.io"
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Subject: Re: [Starlingx-discuss] Apt-ostree repository
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Hi

Answers are in line.

From: Waines, Greg <Greg.Waines at windriver.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2023 12:52 PM
To: Short, Charles <Charles.Short at windriver.com>; starlingx-discuss at lists.starlingx.io
Subject: RE: Apt-ostree repository

Hey Chuck,
I know we talked about this offline and it was also discussed in today's StarlingX Community meeting ...

Just to clarify / add-some-detail to your request ... for community understanding ...

  *   'apt-ostree' is sort of a hybrid package manager that allows one to build and manage ostree commits based on DEB PKGs

Correct it will become a hybrid image/package manager that allows to build and manage ostree commits based on Debian packages.

  *   You are developing this as part of the FLOCK project team's work on 'Software Upgrade/Update Evolution', see stx 9 feature plan spreadsheet https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fspreadsheets%2Fd%2F1aTjYzUkExodfayt-rjTv466jE-DP8b_YjrTHhXW6G9w%2Fedit%23gid%3D1107209846&data=05%7C01%7Crogerio.ferraz%40encora.com%7C1be55554a189430fb99408db88ead6f2%7C1e0c92b0f1bd441ebbe6c778f9ced553%7C0%7C0%7C638254314453412513%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Dbkkm4vsJznHL5Zl3dRa%2FhgVIgMuYP%2Ft273kcGdP6co%3D&reserved=0<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aTjYzUkExodfayt-rjTv466jE-DP8b_YjrTHhXW6G9w/edit#gid=1107209846> .

Correct

  *
  *   Your development plans for apt-ostree is to develop this generically (i.e. no starlingx specifics), using the debian apt package manager and debian's ostree package.

That's correct I see possible use cases outside of StarlingX where it could possibly be used for example embedded systems for managing updates, installs, etc.

  *   AND THEN the higher-level StarlingX-specific Software Management code would USE apt-ostree

StarlingX manages large number of nodes well. I would hope that apt-ostree gets to the point where apt-ostree can manage Debian based systems well.

  *
  *   As discussed, our long term plans would be to offer/propose this as a debian package to the debian community .... Rather than bury this in starlingx.
     *   And then we would just include this new debian package in our host packages and use it for starlingx
Correct I would like to start with small and then work our way through a bigger use case within the Debian community.

  *
  *   In the meantime, you're proposing that we create an apt-ostree repo in starlingx, as sort of an incubation period ... in order to develop apt-ostree and meet stx 9 release schedules.
     *   With the intent to move it to the debian community later.

Correct

Greg.

p.s. I'm a +1 for new short-term apt-ostree repo

From: Short, Charles <Charles.Short at windriver.com<mailto:Charles.Short at windriver.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2023 4:08 PM
To: starlingx-discuss at lists.starlingx.io<mailto:starlingx-discuss at lists.starlingx.io>
Subject: [Starlingx-discuss] Apt-ostree repository

Hi,

I been working on a Debian based ostree package management system for the past couple of months. It is similar to how rpm-ostree manages packages with ostree on Fedora. I was wondering if there were any objections to adding the repository to the starlingx namespace on opendev.org?<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.com%2Fv3%2F__http%3A%2Fopendev.org%3F__%3B!!AjveYdw8EvQ!YPEW0Kab6M1hz6pbYzHOhQ_khQOwG90S7EmOyVfTRXVVALfj-2KfGKo3e9KTKjDB5vYhp_YnWE2YvptC1O9baK7EpcNYXpg%24&data=05%7C01%7Crogerio.ferraz%40encora.com%7C1be55554a189430fb99408db88ead6f2%7C1e0c92b0f1bd441ebbe6c778f9ced553%7C0%7C0%7C638254314453412513%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=EFf47e4Yuc%2FRtWfvtYfLyfGqXlLA8%2FtQKgv6byQTWuQ%3D&reserved=0<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/opendev.org?__;!!AjveYdw8EvQ!YPEW0Kab6M1hz6pbYzHOhQ_khQOwG90S7EmOyVfTRXVVALfj-2KfGKo3e9KTKjDB5vYhp_YnWE2YvptC1O9baK7EpcNYXpg$>>

Thanks
chuck
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2023 06:29:08 +0000
From: "Jaiswal, Abhishek" <Abhishek.Jaiswal at windriver.com>
To: Ildiko Vancsa <ildiko at openstack.org>, StarlingX ML
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Subject: Re: [Starlingx-discuss] Community Communication Channels -
        VOTE NEEDED
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+1

Abhishek Jaiswal
Member of Technical Staff

M/?+91 7799126262

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